Opening Wintersday Gifts - Guild Wars Forums

Better Than Koss · Dec 23, 2010, 09:18 PM // 21:18

So I (along with everyone else in the game) have accumulated many wintersday gifts. I was wondering if a macro to open them would be officially against the terms of service. I know that there is an auto hotkey script in the tools and resources section of this forum, but is it against the terms of service? I would appreciate input and I'm sure everyone would like to use a hotkey to open gifts if they WERE legal. Thanks.

RedDog91 · Dec 23, 2010, 09:28 PM // 21:28

It is considered a breach of the EULA and can result in your account being banned.

That being said, there are plenty of people who do it who have not been banned. They either have not been caught, or ANET does their best to ignore it.

Better Than Koss · Dec 23, 2010, 09:31 PM // 21:31

But the tools and resources thread requires the approval of a moderator to start a new thread. Why would a moderator approve an auto hotkey thread if it were against the terms of svc?

RedDog91 · Dec 23, 2010, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Better Than Koss

But the tools and resources thread requires the approval of a moderator to start a new thread. Why would a moderator approve an auto hotkey thread if it were against the terms of svc?

The wording most likely got it approved. The way it is worded does make it sound possible to use without breaking the EULA.

What the creator of that program may not realize is that the player does not have to be present. They say it requires a person to physically hold down the Ctrl button on the keyboard, however, one could simply put a weighted object on the key just large enough to push the key down. Then that person can leave and effectively use it to use points (be it party, sweet tooth, etc.) while AFK.

Also note that the moderators of this site are not ANET employees and as such may not know exactly everything what is and isn't against the EULA.

Better Than Koss · Dec 23, 2010, 09:39 PM // 21:39

So if one were to physically be at the computer using this program and holding down the ctrl key that would not be against the rules? It only becomes illegal while you are afk?

RedDog91 · Dec 23, 2010, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Hypothetically speaking, yes.
But if you do for whatever get banned while using the program, good luck proving you were physically at your computer.

MisterB · Dec 23, 2010, 09:47 PM // 21:47

Many people, myself included, have asked support for clarification on what macros were allowed. They send the same response every time. Their response boils down to: We refuse to answer the question.

If a script opens the gifts automatically, it can be defined as a bot and can result in a ban. If a script repeats mouse clicks while a button or key is held, that is a gray area that support has yet to define, and has refused to define when asked. Any script or macro is used at your own risk, and ANet reserves the right to terminate the account for any reason, including a violation of their vague and unclear third party tool and automation policies.

Hobbs · Dec 23, 2010, 09:53 PM // 21:53

As far as I know using keyboard binds on the G110 or similar keyboards is kosher. For opening my gifts I just assigned one of my G keys to "quadruple-click" and mashed it on my stack, took about 10 seconds to open them all.

Sierraa · Dec 23, 2010, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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"You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes."

Rules of Conduct #22

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"You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. "

User Agreement: 7 - Official Service

Any third party program can be against the EULA depending on how the support staff views your case. It's open to human interpretation which is a scary thing. Is it directly against the rules? No. It does have human interaction. Could you get banned for it? Yes.

It's entirely up to you what you want to do, I'd rather be safe than sorry and just double click to open my presents.

**Kvinna** · Dec 23, 2010, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Hello everyone! I have talked with Regina about the Auto Hotkey program and it is confirmed that it is indeed a 3rd party program and thus goes against the user agreement. One of the programmers commented that a program like that allows someone to do something much faster than humanly possible and that it can slow/lag the server for everyone.

I have removed the thread from the Tools section but I caution anyone that has the program that there is a possibility that you may get banned for using it.

CrustyEarl · Dec 24, 2010, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Is it really that hard to click on a stack of presents a few hundred times? o.0

New Buddha · Dec 24, 2010, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by CrustyEarl

Is it really that hard to click on a stack of presents a few hundred times? o.0

One stack is ok..but 20 stacks and you can get Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

Star_Jewel · Dec 25, 2010, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Most mice these days have software that allows you to assign functions to extra buttons/wheel. I've set my wheel to "double click," so at least I only have to click half as many times.

I doubt I would get banned for this, but anything is possible, I suppose.

Fay Vert · Dec 27, 2010, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Its a shame that ANet would rather see their players crippled with RSI. Wouldn't it be nice to do something like Shift-click to open all in a stack or utilise the split dialog to open a multiple, or even consume multiple other things, like snowman summoners etc.

Dzjudz · Dec 27, 2010, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Its a shame that ANet would rather see their players crippled with RSI. Wouldn't it be nice to do something like Shift-click to open all in a stack or utilise the split dialog to open a multiple, or even consume multiple other things, like snowman summoners etc.

RSI from a few stacks of gifts?

bsoltan · Dec 27, 2010, 07:47 PM // 19:47

They aren't making you farm lots of gifts.
They aren't making you open them all at the same time.

Kosar The Cruel · Dec 27, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Just open a stack of gifts every 2hrs or whatever. It'll be slower but, hurray! Your hand wont hurt!

Lordshonsu · Dec 28, 2010, 10:15 AM // 10:15

agreed. u can open 10 while waiting for the SD dialogue to be finished if ur doing SD like crazy.

otherwise i open my gifts about every 12-25 times. ususally its 12. that way im just opening 120 gifts, using Snow Sum and fruitcakes, and storing the booze for later.

imo i would think a macro of double clicking wouldnt be against the eula but its however Anet defines it. but anymore than double would be against the rules imo

Quaker · Dec 28, 2010, 04:16 PM // 16:16

You probably could open all your gifts manually in less time than it takes to find a macro to do it - but your widdle fingey would be so tired.

Dec 23, 2010, 09:18 PM // 21:18	#1
Better Than Koss Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2010 Profession: W/	Opening Wintersday Gifts So I (along with everyone else in the game) have accumulated many wintersday gifts. I was wondering if a macro to open them would be officially against the terms of service. I know that there is an auto hotkey script in the tools and resources section of this forum, but is it against the terms of service? I would appreciate input and I'm sure everyone would like to use a hotkey to open gifts if they WERE legal. Thanks.

Dec 23, 2010, 09:28 PM // 21:28	#2
RedDog91 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Farming for Nick gifts Profession: R/	It is considered a breach of the EULA and can result in your account being banned. That being said, there are plenty of people who do it who have not been banned. They either have not been caught, or ANET does their best to ignore it.

Dec 23, 2010, 09:31 PM // 21:31	#3
Better Than Koss Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2010 Profession: W/	But the tools and resources thread requires the approval of a moderator to start a new thread. Why would a moderator approve an auto hotkey thread if it were against the terms of svc?

Dec 23, 2010, 09:39 PM // 21:39	#5
Better Than Koss Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2010 Profession: W/	So if one were to physically be at the computer using this program and holding down the ctrl key that would not be against the rules? It only becomes illegal while you are afk?

Dec 23, 2010, 09:42 PM // 21:42	#6
RedDog91 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Farming for Nick gifts Profession: R/	Hypothetically speaking, yes. But if you do for whatever get banned while using the program, good luck proving you were physically at your computer.

Dec 23, 2010, 09:47 PM // 21:47	#7
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	Many people, myself included, have asked support for clarification on what macros were allowed. They send the same response every time. Their response boils down to: We refuse to answer the question. If a script opens the gifts automatically, it can be defined as a bot and can result in a ban. If a script repeats mouse clicks while a button or key is held, that is a gray area that support has yet to define, and has refused to define when asked. Any script or macro is used at your own risk, and ANet reserves the right to terminate the account for any reason, including a violation of their vague and unclear third party tool and automation policies.

Dec 23, 2010, 09:53 PM // 21:53	#8
Hobbs Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Organised Spam [OS] Profession: W/	As far as I know using keyboard binds on the G110 or similar keyboards is kosher. For opening my gifts I just assigned one of my G keys to "quadruple-click" and mashed it on my stack, took about 10 seconds to open them all.

Dec 23, 2010, 10:48 PM // 22:48	#10
Kvinna Administrator Join Date: Aug 2009	Hello everyone! I have talked with Regina about the Auto Hotkey program and it is confirmed that it is indeed a 3rd party program and thus goes against the user agreement. One of the programmers commented that a program like that allows someone to do something much faster than humanly possible and that it can slow/lag the server for everyone. I have removed the thread from the Tools section but I caution anyone that has the program that there is a possibility that you may get banned for using it.

Dec 24, 2010, 07:38 PM // 19:38	#11
CrustyEarl Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: Order of the Sacred Tongue Profession: E/A	Is it really that hard to click on a stack of presents a few hundred times? o.0

Dec 25, 2010, 01:26 AM // 01:26	#13
Star_Jewel Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Denizen of Tyria since Feb. 2009	Most mice these days have software that allows you to assign functions to extra buttons/wheel. I've set my wheel to "double click," so at least I only have to click half as many times. I doubt I would get banned for this, but anything is possible, I suppose.

Dec 27, 2010, 06:58 PM // 18:58	#14
Fay Vert Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: R/	Its a shame that ANet would rather see their players crippled with RSI. Wouldn't it be nice to do something like Shift-click to open all in a stack or utilise the split dialog to open a multiple, or even consume multiple other things, like snowman summoners etc.

Dec 27, 2010, 07:47 PM // 19:47	#16
bsoltan Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Guild: [SoF]	They aren't making you farm lots of gifts. They aren't making you open them all at the same time.

Dec 27, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40	#17
Kosar The Cruel Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Profession: D/	Just open a stack of gifts every 2hrs or whatever. It'll be slower but, hurray! Your hand wont hurt!

Dec 28, 2010, 10:15 AM // 10:15	#18
Lordshonsu Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: W/	agreed. u can open 10 while waiting for the SD dialogue to be finished if ur doing SD like crazy. otherwise i open my gifts about every 12-25 times. ususally its 12. that way im just opening 120 gifts, using Snow Sum and fruitcakes, and storing the booze for later. imo i would think a macro of double clicking wouldnt be against the eula but its however Anet defines it. but anymore than double would be against the rules imo

Dec 28, 2010, 04:16 PM // 16:16	#19
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	You probably could open all your gifts manually in less time than it takes to find a macro to do it - but your widdle fingey would be so tired.